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"No, you don't understand," the White Knight said: "That's what the name is *called*."
Talk to me about what we call our characters.
And I don't mean in a story we're writing: that's its own problem, but it also always comes down to the story. I mean when we talk about shared characters outside of story - in our journals, in chatting, in meta, in captions - what names do we choose to use?
This comes up a lot in Untamed/MDZS fandom, of course, with the characters who all have three names, except the ones that don't, as complicated by filtering through different cultural understanding.
But it's not just fandoms in translation - one of my first fic fandoms was Earthsea, where characters all have a use-name and a truename. At least in Earthsea it's in-universe canon that a character's truename is always used (if there's anyone left to tell it) in the stories that are told about them after they're gone, so I am confident in calling Ged Ged and Estarriol Estarriol when I talk about their stories from this end (although Ogion is still called Ogion far more often than Aihal).
And even in fandom much closer to ours, there's the question of first names and nicknames and surnames. Is it Snape or Severus, Draco or Malfoy when I talk about them with others? I always call Holmes Holmes, because even Watson calls him Holmes, so who am I to call him Sherlock, but in modern adaptations it's Sherlock. When I was a kid, Captain Kirk was always Captain Kirk, but somewhere in there the Captain started feeling awkward (and in my head I often call him Jim, because, well, you know what 'Jim' means in Romulan :P), though half the time I still use it by habit anyway.
Meanwhile Captain Jack Sparrow is always Captain Jack Sparrow. Bruce Wayne is Bruce Wayne to me even though he's Batman to himself because it's Bruce Wayne I want to know better (but he's always Bruce Wayne because just Bruce is Bruce Banner.) Meanwhile Kal-el and Clark and Superman to me all refer to different facets of the same man, and I'll swap them around.
I sometimes feel like there's a general change as a fandom gets larger and/or older for fans in general to shift to less formal and more familiar forms of address for their characters, but I have no data on this, and maybe it's a general overall shift with time over all fandoms, more toward first names (do smushnames affect this?)
And, of course, there is the long and hallowed tradition of calling your fandom faves by embarrassing and/or mushy pet names whenever you can get away with it!
So what do you call your favorites? Do you have any fandoms where the naming of characters is especially tricky, or where something the rest of fandom does bug you or endears you? What are your thoughts on what we call our characters?
And I don't mean in a story we're writing: that's its own problem, but it also always comes down to the story. I mean when we talk about shared characters outside of story - in our journals, in chatting, in meta, in captions - what names do we choose to use?
This comes up a lot in Untamed/MDZS fandom, of course, with the characters who all have three names, except the ones that don't, as complicated by filtering through different cultural understanding.
But it's not just fandoms in translation - one of my first fic fandoms was Earthsea, where characters all have a use-name and a truename. At least in Earthsea it's in-universe canon that a character's truename is always used (if there's anyone left to tell it) in the stories that are told about them after they're gone, so I am confident in calling Ged Ged and Estarriol Estarriol when I talk about their stories from this end (although Ogion is still called Ogion far more often than Aihal).
And even in fandom much closer to ours, there's the question of first names and nicknames and surnames. Is it Snape or Severus, Draco or Malfoy when I talk about them with others? I always call Holmes Holmes, because even Watson calls him Holmes, so who am I to call him Sherlock, but in modern adaptations it's Sherlock. When I was a kid, Captain Kirk was always Captain Kirk, but somewhere in there the Captain started feeling awkward (and in my head I often call him Jim, because, well, you know what 'Jim' means in Romulan :P), though half the time I still use it by habit anyway.
Meanwhile Captain Jack Sparrow is always Captain Jack Sparrow. Bruce Wayne is Bruce Wayne to me even though he's Batman to himself because it's Bruce Wayne I want to know better (but he's always Bruce Wayne because just Bruce is Bruce Banner.) Meanwhile Kal-el and Clark and Superman to me all refer to different facets of the same man, and I'll swap them around.
I sometimes feel like there's a general change as a fandom gets larger and/or older for fans in general to shift to less formal and more familiar forms of address for their characters, but I have no data on this, and maybe it's a general overall shift with time over all fandoms, more toward first names (do smushnames affect this?)
And, of course, there is the long and hallowed tradition of calling your fandom faves by embarrassing and/or mushy pet names whenever you can get away with it!
So what do you call your favorites? Do you have any fandoms where the naming of characters is especially tricky, or where something the rest of fandom does bug you or endears you? What are your thoughts on what we call our characters?
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(Yes, the episode in which Marinette and Adrien don't have access to the magic that make them Ladybug and Chat Noir, but still need to go out and be Ladybug and Chat Noir without blowing their secret identities, involves Adrien in a banana costume on a foot-propelled scooter, in obvious contrast to Marinette and her bicycle, badass motorcyclist suit, and tinted/polarized/something-so-people-can't-see-in helmet. Yes, this even almost makes sense in context.)
Kagami is always "kagami tsurugi", though, never "ryuko", even when she's being Ryūko. And whenever she's shipped with either of the above characters, it's "adrigami" or "marigami" or "adrigaminette", regardless of which persona any of them is being at the time.
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in ML, people refer to Marinette and Ladybug as though they are two separate individuals, if they are not (and most people are not) aware that these are the same person. that's not optional. in my fic, she herself thinks of herself as whichever one she is being at the time. which can get complicated quick—like, as Multimouse, she is being Marinette and Chat Noir knows it, but she's not not being Ladybug, either, and she wants to keep those three identities separate for everyone else's benefit—but it means I as writer have an easier time keeping track of which one of her others are seeing, and I can occasionally do cool tricks by having her internal narrative refer to her as one of them when she's definitely being the other one. and people who know her as both, I'm having them mostly do the same thing of referring to her as whichever one she happens to be being, unless pointedly distancing the other one—like Adrien when talking to Marinette in the presence of people who don't know she's Ladybug (when he does know) will talk about Ladybug as though she isn't present.
most of that transposes to the other secret identities in play, too. not all—I don't think Alya has ever once thought of Nino as Carapace, since she figured out Carapace was Nino about five seconds after his superheroic debut, and I think Nino stopped thinking of Alya as Rena Rouge the moment he learned those are the same person—but most.