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May the 4th
I was inspired by a Facebook post I wrote a few years ago, expressing confusion over all the May the 4th jokes. I then realized that I'd been doing the same thing to people as a huge Harry Potter fan - they would mention they'd read the books, and I'd start going on about something that wasn't immediately clear to more casual fans, leaving them confused.
I still haven't seen past the first Star Wars sequel. I really need to amend that.
Questions for YOU guys:
1. Is there anything you like only casually, only to mislead people into excitement when you mention it?
2. Have you ever confused a casual fan with ALL the love and knowledge?
3. What is your stance on the Star Wars sequels? Do you consider them canon? (If your comment contains spoilers, please mark it. I originally asked that this be spoiler free, but that's not fair to anyone who really wants to get into it! It IS Star Wars Day, after all.)
4. What is a book, movie, or series you WOULD like to see a sequel or prequel to? Or, if it's already had one of those, do you think it could be done better?
I still haven't seen past the first Star Wars sequel. I really need to amend that.
Questions for YOU guys:
1. Is there anything you like only casually, only to mislead people into excitement when you mention it?
2. Have you ever confused a casual fan with ALL the love and knowledge?
3. What is your stance on the Star Wars sequels? Do you consider them canon? (If your comment contains spoilers, please mark it. I originally asked that this be spoiler free, but that's not fair to anyone who really wants to get into it! It IS Star Wars Day, after all.)
4. What is a book, movie, or series you WOULD like to see a sequel or prequel to? Or, if it's already had one of those, do you think it could be done better?
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...I think that's happened to me; it rings a bell, but I can't think of a specific instance.
2. Have you ever confused a casual fan with ALL the love and knowledge?
OH GOD YES. Like, I do this to my mother any time we talk about media we both follow.
3. What is your stance on the Star Wars sequels? Do you consider them canon? (If your comment contains spoilers, please mark it. I originally asked that this be spoiler free, but that's not fair to anyone who really wants to get into it! It IS Star Wars Day, after all.)
I love them in the way that I love the other two trilogies, in that I love the ideas and themes but want to tweak/play/deconstruct/fix-it. TLJ is probably my favorite Star Wars movie, and it's just possible that TROS might be my second (I'm an outlier in Star Wars fandom because while I acknowledge the quality of ESB, I don't enjoy watching it and in fact will only rewatch if I need a plot point for a fic). Ben Solo|Kylo Ren is hands-down my favorite character in the entire series, followed closely by Rey and then Rose Tico (unless we're counting Legends canon and then Mara Jade and the Noghri have to be in there somewhere). (I actually get choky when I imagine what it would have been like if we'd had Adam Driver playing Anakin Skywalker in the PT. BECAUSE OH MY GOD. That would have been ANAKIN. I loved Anakin enough with Hayden Christensen's performance but ADAM DRIVER OMG. Especially if they let Rian Johnson write and direct it.)
I also want to nth the sentiment some others have expressed, which is that with the big sprawling canons whose creators can't be arsed to maintain continuity--- and especially with things like Star Wars that have a) more content than any one person can realistically consume and b) content in a lot of formats some of which may not be accessible for whatever reason to the entire fanbase--- we're all allowed a certain interpretational freedom as to what we call "canon" given that even if you've managed to access all of it, it at least sometimes contradicts itself. (I mean, Leia: Princess of Alderaan and Bloodline are more a part of my headcanon/understanding of Star Wars than what are probably some of the better-known tie-ins.)
4. What is a book, movie, or series you WOULD like to see a sequel or prequel to? Or, if it's already had one of those, do you think it could be done better?
What a timely question, because I'm being forced to cope with the fact that my other current fandom, Knives Out, is probably going to get a sequel... that focuses on one of my least favorite characters and abandons the ones I care about. If I were doing its sequel(s), I'd do a trilogy--- and I just realized that saying what the trilogy would be would be spoilery unless I'm really careful, so I'll say this: the second one would be "competing courtroom dramas" involving the disposition of the Thrombey estate, the cause of Harlan's death, and resolving Marta's mother's immigration status, and the third would be how the major players, especially Marta and her family, go on in the aftermath. Daniel Craig can only come back as Benoit Blanc if he's learned to do an ACTUAL Southern accent--- seriously, the only way I justify how bad his accent is in that film is that I know Rian Johnson has mentioned Gosford Park as one of his influences, and there's a character in that film whose execrable excuse for a particular accent is a plot point, so it was meant as a shout-out.
Vis a vis Star Wars, there is a particular plot point in TROS that in hindsight would have worked better on every level if they'd done it at the end of TLJ, and for your sake I'll stop right there.
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I'm particularly unenthused about the idea of another detective mystery story starring Benoit Blanc, because I think a lot of the things that make Knives Out work so well as a mystery story are specific to the story of Marta and the Thrombeys (like the fact that Harlan Thrombey is a mystery writer himself, and the way that influences how various characters react to things; or the way that Marta and Blanc spend most of the movie figuring out where they stand with each other). And if Johnson reuses those elements in a sequel, people will say he's repeating himself, and they'll be right.
I like the idea of switching up the genre and Doing Courtroom Drama the way the first movie Does Murder Mystery; that follows from the plot, as you say, and it opens up a way to bring in different elements. But obviously "the sequel is a completely different genre" is not something studios tend to go for.
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I could cosign your entire comment--- I keep trying to pull out one piece to respond to, but mostly I just keep nodding along, like, yes, this.
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COSIGNED! I can't hack Blanc's accent, as I ranted previously, so it occurs to me that instead of having him somewhere that he's not supposed to be from (Johnson said he wanted Blanc, like Poirot, to have an accent that didn't fit with the other characters') throw him into a rich family in the Deep South, who will recognize that something's off about him and maybe give us a nugget of his background, like they did in this one when Blanc mentions that Harlan had known his father.
Hmmm... if Johnson wants to go full Agatha Christie, he could make Marta is new Miss Marple and have her get caught up on her own in solving a crime. ("Marta and Blanc continue to team up to solve his cases" is a fairly common fanfic trope even in Marta/Ransom fics, I've found.)
Yeah, the only one I can think of that did that was Chronicles of Riddick and that... did not go well. Though there might be a way to weave another murder mystery into the courtroom-drama process--- someone trying to kill one of the Cabreras or the Thrombeys, or one of them being suspected of murder.
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Part of me is saying "Marta has a lot on her plate already, she deserves a break", but I can't decide whether that's an argument for or against the idea.
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Yeah, the only one I can think of that did that was Chronicles of Riddick and that... did not go well.
Alien to Aliens? That one went pretty well.
Of course, the other immediate example I can think of is The Matrix/The Matrix Reloaded (action movies) leading into The Matrix Revolutions (war movie) and that went about as well as Chronicles of Riddick, so. :)
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